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  • #1

    Debuff

    I have a question: The debuff is that 1.4 X or 2.5x or what others ? Can anyone a clear answer give ?
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    There is no clear answer because it depends on the knight you are attacking. Most players rate debuff somewhere between 1.4 and 2 times a normal attack strength to come up wih a comparison figure. Personally I use 1.4 times

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CHOSEN_YETI View Post
      There is no clear answer because it depends on the knight you are attacking. Most players rate debuff somewhere between 1.4 and 2 times a normal attack strength to come up wih a comparison figure. Personally I use 1.4 times
      I use 1.4 as well

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      • #4
        Different debuffs have i right? Than is my question how can you see of a debuff 1.4 is or 2.0?

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        • #5
          no clau, its difficult to measure.
          We only know debuff is more important than life/attack. How much better you can only know by testing. test test test... but if you test, then you should compare with several things, like simular gear without debuff, but also the gear of the other tester does have influence. What if you have both a lot of debuff? Does this have the same results as debuff against no debuff? Maybe someone did the tests already, I didn't (don't like testing lol)...

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          • #6
            There is a lot of confusion on these forums about that, some of which I'm probably responsible for by sharing my earlier approximations.

            Facts:
            - the value of your gear doesn't depend on the value of your opponent's, as long as, either your force is substantially bigger than theirs, or their force is substantially bigger than yours
            - point above means that there is a best attack setup and best defense setup, and neither of those depend on whom you're fighting with
            - the best setup isn't a setup consisting of the best gear pieces (you can think of it as a synergy)
            - point above means that you can't test gear pieces individually to identify the best setup
            - the value of buff and debuff isn't constant, and depends on the rest of your gear setup
            - point above means you can't put a single number on it that would help each player
            - the "best in slot" pieces may not necessarily be the best for you, if you don't have the full "best setup"
            - point above means that if you diverge from the best setup (for the lack of some pieces), you may need to diverge even more to achieve optimality

            All points together mean it's not really possible (=practically feasible) to figure out what the best gear setup is through testing, less then what the best setup if FOR YOU. However, it's possible to COMPUTE it, which is what the tool linked below does. It will not only show you what the best setup is for you (using only the gear you have), but also what the actual combat rating is (so you can actually put a real number on it, rather than some silly % which doesn't mean anything).

            So in conclusion, don't mess with the numbers, just use the tool

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            • #7
              Uhm very much thanks tempicek now have we a gearlist but The different in debuff 1.4 to 2.0 can i not see in that list The gearlist is Well good for our alliance i am happy with that

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              • #8
                Claudius, gear sheet is nice to have for a reference purposes, but it won't tell you what the best setup is.

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                • #9
                  tempicek, we in europe have some other gear items, is it possible to add those items to the camelottools?
                  btw: I like the tool very much. Did you create it?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cicero_Ector123 View Post
                    tempicek, we in europe have some other gear items, is it possible to add those items to the camelottools?
                    btw: I like the tool very much. Did you create it?
                    Yes, I made that one. I could add more gear for sure (which gear would that be, is it documented somewhere here on the forums?), unless the gear is better than what we have here, because then it would show up in the "best setups" which are autogenerated.

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                    • #11
                      Great work!

                      No its not the best gear for sure. But I do have a lot of manual gear items, quite confusing

                      http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...-Servers/page2
                      http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...-Servers/page3

                      [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 1 Gear Set
                      [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 2 Gear Set
                      [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 3 Gear Set
                      Frost soul (isn't in I suppose)
                      Frost Ravager

                      http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...rzs-sword-stat
                      And some of these

                      I would be happy to help you, if I can...


                      edit:
                      Alternative you could add a custom name field, so we would be able to add names to the manual entered gear items.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cicero_Ector123 View Post
                        edit:
                        Alternative you could add a custom name field, so we would be able to add names to the manual entered gear items.
                        Hmmm, that feature was originally there. I just checked and it's not. Wonder when, how or why it disappeared I'll add the gear soon.

                        I checked the thread you linked and this cracked me up:
                        "The Chaos Gear set is the first set introduced to Kingdoms of Camelot: Battle for the North that has one stat chosen at random in order to provide more variety for players with different battle techniques."

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                        • #13
                          Uhm the gear sheet tell the best gear options so i think!? Of have i wrong?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by claudius32 View Post
                            Uhm the gear sheet tell the best gear options so i think!? Of have i wrong?
                            As I said earlier, the best setup isn't easy to determine, and if you diverge from it, then you may need to do more adjustments. No sheet can tell you what's best for YOU.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cicero_Ector123 View Post
                              Great work!

                              No its not the best gear for sure. But I do have a lot of manual gear items, quite confusing

                              http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...-Servers/page2
                              http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...-Servers/page3

                              [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 1 Gear Set
                              [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 2 Gear Set
                              [EU] Camelot's Mightiest Champion Season 3 Gear Set
                              Frost soul (isn't in I suppose)
                              Frost Ravager

                              http://community.kabam.com/forums/sh...rzs-sword-stat
                              And some of these

                              I would be happy to help you, if I can...

                              edit:
                              Alternative you could add a custom name field, so we would be able to add names to the manual entered gear items.
                              Ok, i added all that gear, but it was more than i expected. I might need to find a way how to diverge for people on different servers, otherwise it'll get very cluttered (also, the best gear setup probably isn't correct for the european servers anyway??)

                              If you want to help, you can review the new pieces, see if they are correct.

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