Lunette Wheel

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I don't know if it's just me, but is the Lunette Wheel ratio getting worse? I had 27 coins. 17 of those were bronze chest, the others were 6 Gold and 4 Silver. NOT one Platinum or even a key! Just shows that this game continues to be a spenders game.

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I don't know if it's just me, but is the Lunette Wheel ratio getting worse? I had 27 coins. 17 of those were bronze chest, the others were 6 Gold and 4 Silver. NOT one Platinum or even a key! Just shows that this game continues to be a spenders game.

They change the drop rates all the time, no two wheels are the same. That's because they change the prizes within it too, and the jackpot prize, and sometimes the price for a spin too, so the drop rates have to match all that. It's sneaky, but what can you do? Best defense is to share info within alli, or within the world if you feel like it. I usually run the tests with my gems and tell others if anything's worth it (side note: 9 out of 10 times it is not worth it, but one has to try to find that 1 out of 10 :/).

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Normally I don't like the wheel but this time I did ok. The graphic on it is a little strange to me but, that's ok. The last wheel was by far the best one in a long time. This wheel was ok nothing special for me. I have not liked maney wheels though just cause I found maddness to be better.

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it is clear than the different prizes have different odds yet they occupy the equal areas on the wheel. thats misrepresentation.

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The wheels a joke, I swear a gold chest turned into a bronze after it stopped.

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This shouldn't be so difficult to understand: each prize has a certain probability to show up. It would be impossible to actually create a wheel that would reflect these probabilities. When you tap "spin" the prize gets chosen randomly and then a stuttered animation is generated to spin the wheel to that prize. Sometimes the timing is off and the wheel "jumps" at the end. This is not a rocket science.

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This shouldn't be so difficult to understand: each prize has a certain probability to show up. It would be impossible to actually create a wheel that would reflect these probabilities. When you tap "spin" the prize gets chosen randomly and then a stuttered animation is generated to spin the wheel to that prize. Sometimes the timing is off and the wheel "jumps" at the end. This is not a rocket science.

Why would it be impossible? Kabam set the ratio themselves. There are 8 slots and (usually) there are 4 keys. Technically that would be a 50% chance of getting a key. If the ratio's were set like this then getting the 5 keys for the top prize would be a looooot cheaper. I agree, it's not rocket science, Kabam try to make it so you'll spend more money.

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Why would it be impossible? Kabam set the ratio themselves. There are 8 slots and (usually) there are 4 keys. Technically that would be a 50% chance of getting a key. If the ratio's were set like this then getting the 5 keys for the top prize would be a looooot cheaper. I agree, it's not rocket science, Kabam try to make it so you'll spend more money.

Yes but how should they graphic the wheel even if they put only 1 key on there the key to visual ratio will be way off still. I don't think they will change the graphic.

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Yes but how should they graphic the wheel even if they put only 1 key on there the key to visual ratio will be way off still. I don't think they will change the graphic.

Hahaha Exactly. Putting just the one key would be waaay off. They won't change the graphic. That's Kabam's plan.

Technically, it is still possible to represent the " Kabam set" ratio for getting a key. All slots can have chests, and 1 chest can state "A chance to win ONE of the following" and the selection could be Grail training, Gear, troops, resource, etc OR a key.

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Why would it be impossible? Kabam set the ratio themselves. There are 8 slots and (usually) there are 4 keys. Technically that would be a 50% chance of getting a key. If the ratio's were set like this then getting the 5 keys for the top prize would be a looooot cheaper. I agree, it's not rocket science, Kabam try to make it so you'll spend more money.

But the ratios AREN'T set like that. And never will. And suggesting Kabam to give 50% chance on the key because that would make it cheaper is just ridiculous.

If they split the wheel according to chances, the wheel would look completely ridiculous and you wouldn't be able to see the prize in the tiny slice for the Platinum chest, for example.

I just can't see how anyone could even suggest that. Isn't it obvious that it's just a representation of what the prizes are? I don't see Kabam, at any fault here.

Well, there IS one thing I don't like, and that's the fact that the wheel gives different odds for the last key than it gives for the first four. Now THAT I call unethical. There is absolutely no way you could tell without falling for that trick at least once.

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Merlin's madness usually represents higher value for money in my opinion.

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Yeah, Lunette Wheel by far are the most rigged of all the games. Just spin the wheel counter-clockwise and you'll see what I am talking about. I don't know why they don't just programming a real random wheel.

I don't know if it's just me, but is the Lunette Wheel ratio getting worse? I had 27 coins. 17 of those were bronze chest, the others were 6 Gold and 4 Silver. NOT one Platinum or even a key! Just shows that this game continues to be a spenders game.

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But the ratios AREN'T set like that. And never will. And suggesting Kabam to give 50% chance on the key because that would make it cheaper is just ridiculous.

If they split the wheel according to chances, the wheel would look completely ridiculous and you wouldn't be able to see the prize in the tiny slice for the Platinum chest, for example.

I just can't see how anyone could even suggest that. Isn't it obvious that it's just a representation of what the prizes are? I don't see Kabam, at any fault here.

Well, there IS one thing I don't like, and that's the fact that the wheel gives different odds for the last key than it gives for the first four. Now THAT I call unethical. There is absolutely no way you could tell without falling for that trick at least once.

How is it ridiculous? Of course it would be cheaper for the player, they would be spending less to get the keys IF the ratios were a lot better. Also, I am not saying that they are set at 50%. Then again, people may take advantage of the better odds, get greedy and spend more. hahaha

In your post you seem to contradict yourself. You don't see Kabam "at any fault", yet you call them unethical (?!?!). Different odds to get the last key? If you don't see anything wrong with the odds being misrepresented visually, you shouldn't really be upset Kabam having different odds mid-way.

I am surprised that you don't see any fault. Many players can see it. If you believe that the wheel isn't a misrepresentation then that's your view. When players see (especially new ones), they expect a 50% probability. Not everyone are aware that the ratios are set by Kabam.

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How is it ridiculous? Of course it would be cheaper for the player, they would be spending less to get the keys IF the ratios were a lot better. Also, I am not saying that they are set at 50%. Then again, people may take advantage of the better odds, get greedy and spend more. hahaha

In your post you seem to contradict yourself. You don't see Kabam "at any fault", yet you call them unethical (?!?!). Different odds to get the last key? If you don't see anything wrong with the odds being misrepresented visually, you shouldn't really be upset Kabam having different odds mid-way.

I am surprised that you don't see any fault. Many players can see it. If you believe that the wheel isn't a misrepresentation then that's your view. When players see (especially new ones), they expect a 50% probability. Not everyone are aware that the ratios are set by Kabam.

Everytime I spin the wheel from free tokens from events, I pray so hard that it doesn't land on a key.

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How is it ridiculous? Of course it would be cheaper for the player, they would be spending less to get the keys IF the ratios were a lot better. Also, I am not saying that they are set at 50%. Then again, people may take advantage of the better odds, get greedy and spend more. hahaha

In your post you seem to contradict yourself. You don't see Kabam "at any fault", yet you call them unethical (?!?!). Different odds to get the last key? If you don't see anything wrong with the odds being misrepresented visually, you shouldn't really be upset Kabam having different odds mid-way.

I am surprised that you don't see any fault. Many players can see it. If you believe that the wheel isn't a misrepresentation then that's your view. When players see (especially new ones), they expect a 50% probability. Not everyone are aware that the ratios are set by Kabam.

The ridiculousness is in suggesting you should get the Grand Prize in ~10 spins. Every item in the game has a certain value, and when Kabam makes it available through some minigame or a chest, they set the price accordingly to the product of its value and the chance with which you can get it. People that come to the forums with suggestions on how something awesome should be given out for almost free are just way off. The prices need to be balanced so that there are multiple options where to spend your money. If there was one chest (or the wheel in your suggestion) WAY better than everything else, noone would ever spend a penny for anything but that chest (exceptions apply). Every now and then Kabam make a mistake with some chest and make it too valuable, and the next day people who missed the opportunity come rage on the forums. That's what's ridiculous.

The difference I see between the (misleading?) graphical representation of the wheel and the keys having different odds is this: the same principle is used everywhere else in the game. You have list of prizes, and each one has different odds. If you played the game for more than a week, and think logically, you shouldn't come to the conclusion that differently valued boxes will all have the same chance of dropping. BUT, if you still do, it'll only take you a few spins to see how it works.
For the keys, on the other hand, there is no clue given that the last one should have a different chance. The last one isn't a different prize, it's just yet another spin on the wheel, except for that spin Kabam changes the odds on the prizes. Now that's sick in my books. And it can take you hundreds of spins to confirm that that is the case. I *know* that every single person who played the wheel, and tried to go for the grand prize, got caught by this, and in many cases Kabam milked more money from them because they thought "well there was about 20% chance on the key, getting the last one shouldn't be too difficult now...").
BTW, I similarly consider unethical when Kabam releases a chest, people find it good and start buying it at quantities, and then Kabam changes the odds for items in the chest without telling us (for example Merlin Token Grab Bags). It takes players many a purchase to find out what happened, and there is literally no clue to be had prior to spending.