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  • Denaunie
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    Originally posted by Noob_52QBGMX View Post
    Dude are you quoting and cherry picking the controversy section article from a Wikipedia article while at the same omitting the introduction part of it and expecting I take your argument seriously?

    I will then cherry pick myself the TOS:



    Did you read that part:

    including exploiting glitches for personal gain;

    When Kabam introduce a bug that allows people to literally gain the equivalent of hundreds if not thousands of euros for free, it looks like to me that the previous quote fits perfectly.
    Oh, I know the ToS backwards and forwards, and I enforce it in my Guild regularly, thank you very much.

    Let's recap so as to not stray from the chain of events. You called someone "retarded" because you felt the actions taken by some were by definition an exploit and deserving of a Ban.

    My comment was that I felt much of what the ToS focuses on in terms of bannable offenses tends to be use of 3rd party tools to exploit inner mechanics. You then used Wiki, not the ToS, to define exploit. Your definition referred to the situation as controversial, which I think you and I both agree that it is. Now you are using the ToS as reference and so now we can actually have a civilized debate.

    Scroll down further and at the bottom of that section of the ToS it says, "While using the Websites or Materials, you agree to comply with these and all Standards, as well as all applicable laws, rules and regulations, Kabam has the sole discretion to delete, suspend, terminate or close your user Account, with or without prior notification to you, for any violation of these Terms, including any of the STANDARDS."

    So that suggests to me that the situations noted above, which you quoted, are left to the discretion of Kabam as to whether or not they are an offense worth taking action over. This has a completely different feel than your original statement of calling someone retarded because this is an overt act of exploitation and people should be banned.

    It's not your call, it's not your decision, the ToS is ambiguous on the matter at best.....which was my original point, that they are much more clear in affirming that action *will* be taken in cases of the use of 3rd party tools vs *may* be taken at their discretion in cases where they deem we as a player community failed to abide by the Standards they set and to which we agree when we play the game.

    The development team screwed up. Some people took advantage. Some couldn't take advantage **but would have if given the opportunity**. For me, the latter are no different than the former. Do you ban them too? The act of not committing a potentially bannable offense merely because you didn't have the opportunity to do so is no less of an offense from where I sit. And as I've mentioned elsewhere, the most overt offense perhaps for me was more of those who shared the information to others regarding the glitch moreso than any of those who may have taken advantage of the opportunity. And if you note, sharing info about a glitch or a bug, etc is also noted as an offense in the ToS and is an action that may merit action taken against.

    And so what do you do? What does Kabam do? How do you determine who exploited more or less than someone else. Do you differentiate between who got 100k gems vs the person who maybe got 2-3k? Why or why not? Where do you draw the line? And what has Kabam done in the past to enforce their own ToS and the content and situations presented within it? For these situations happen all the time....this one was just more overt and immediately brought into the spotlight so is it any worse than the others that have occured before it?

    But that's not for me to judge, and I don't think it's your place either. Kabam will determine what, if anything, to do under the circumstances.

    And I don't think any of that makes anyone retarded.

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  • Blodulf
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    Funny how some peoples reasoning breaks down completely when they're part in this. If it's "a handful of people" (no big deal get over it argument) it should be no problem at all to simply target them for reprisals or correction. If it's not (and it's not) there's a need for more general solutions, like a rollback or simply allowing everybody to claim rewards cross realm to even things out. In the case of a rollback tons of people get screwed over and in the case of giving out tens of thousands of free gems progression gets borked and actually leveling GK will be a non issue for just about everybody. Lose lose situation but it's time they owe up to their mistake and do *something* or the last shred of faith people have in them as a company will disintegrate. Personally I'm not happy at all with this, having spent money on the game and seeing people in arenas take giant leaps in power ahead of me just because of some bug.

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  • robybos69
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    KABAM YOU HAVE ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO COMPENSATE THE BUG: give to all players the Lev 100 in all realms so everyone could take gems At Lev 80 90 and 100.
    No other SOLUTION.
    In other case the game will be died

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  • Noob_52QBGMX
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    Originally posted by Denaunie View Post
    LOL do you know that with your reference, you actually deflated your argument and proved my point, as this is what your link says:

    "...however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them."

    Wiki doesn't define exploit for Kabam, Kabam's ToS owns the responsiblity to define what it means by exploit, sorry. Your logic and argument are flawed on this one.
    Dude are you quoting and cherry picking the controversy section article from a Wikipedia article while at the same omitting the introduction part of it and expecting I take your argument seriously?

    I will then cherry pick myself the TOS:

    ยท Use features of the Websites or Services for anything other than their intended purpose, including exploiting glitches for personal gain;
    Did you read that part:

    including exploiting glitches for personal gain;

    When Kabam introduce a bug that allows people to literally gain the equivalent of hundreds if not thousands of euros for free, it looks like to me that the previous quote fits perfectly.

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  • Denaunie
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    Originally posted by jordanvn View Post
    Haha there goes Denaunie with her magic word lingo hahaha ahh the forums so interesting to see
    Hahaha Jordan, miss you.

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  • Eidolon66
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    Haha there goes Denaunie with her magic word lingo hahaha ahh the forums so interesting to see

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  • Denaunie
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    Originally posted by Noob_52QBGMX View Post
    Where did you read I didn't exploited the bug? Maybe I did and I'm not happy with what I got from the gems because the drop rates are crap? Don't make assumptions when you don't have a clue, baby.


    Well it is definitely a matter of debate and Kabam is king here but as per definition it can be definitely classified as an exploit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28video_gaming%29)
    LOL do you know that with your reference, you actually deflated your argument and proved my point, as this is what your link says:

    "...however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them."

    Wiki doesn't define exploit for Kabam, Kabam's ToS owns the responsiblity to define what it means by exploit, sorry. Your logic and argument are flawed on this one.

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  • Denaunie
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    Originally posted by Lavep View Post
    You are very naive if you think kabam will fire anybody. Nothing is tested in this game anyway and we always are quinea pigs for all new features and additions

    Having few dozen individuals who managed to capitalize on that will not change anything at all.

    Some will get slight boost, some will get pissed and quit and there always will be fresh eager blood


    Show must go on.
    Lavep you should know me well enough by now to know that the first portion was said tongue-in-cheek and that the latter phrase in that statement is what had my support. I am not fussed at all by the whole thing and don't really see much being done about it...and I'm fine with that too.

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  • Lavep
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    Originally posted by Denaunie View Post
    My guess is they'll either make-up the lost revenue by firing the programmer(s) who ran the event without testing it or at the very least, know that they were able to breathe new life into the game for a small handlful of folks who might now stick around awhile despite the ongoing diminished quality assurance of recent months.

    You are very naive if you think kabam will fire anybody. Nothing is tested in this game anyway and we always are quinea pigs for all new features and additions

    Having few dozen individuals who managed to capitalize on that will not change anything at all.

    Some will get slight boost, some will get pissed and quit and there always will be fresh eager blood


    Show must go on.

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  • Noob_52QBGMX
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    Originally posted by wepdonkey View Post
    You are such a cried baby keeps asking Kabam should roll back or take away people gems because you missed the chance yourself.
    Where did you read I didn't exploited the bug? Maybe I did and I'm not happy with what I got from the gems because the drop rates are crap? Don't make assumptions when you don't have a clue, baby.

    Originally posted by Denaunie
    I'm not certain that your statement is true, Noob. (using that only as your given Forum name, not as an intended insult)
    Well it is definitely a matter of debate and Kabam is king here but as per definition it can be definitely classified as an exploit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28video_gaming%29)

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  • Denaunie
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    Originally posted by Noob_52QBGMX View Post
    And all those guys have trained their characters to LVL100 on 15-20 different servers in 8 or 10hours? The only retarded guy I see is you. The bug described by the OP is called an exploit and is deserving ban. Do you honestly think Kabam will be giving up on hundred of dollars per account?
    I'm not certain that your statement is true, Noob. (using that only as your given Forum name, not as an intended insult)

    The ToS (https://www.kabam.com/corporate/terms-of-service#tab-en) seems to focus more on benefits gained via exploits by 3rd party tools; it reads to me that this situation arose from within the game itself, not from outside of it.

    Now sure, those who actually shared the info to their friends and guildmates could technically be liable for exploiting a glitch, perhaps, but that's a stretch and quite difficult to prove at this point, and at this magnitude.

    Think of it this way: months ago they ran an arena that allowed members to particpate and earn gem rewards on multiple realms, but due to a glitch (basically a programmer's error that forgot to program to allow multi-realm payouts on one account for that specific arena), those rewards were never paid out. Kabam stated to many that they had no responsibility to pay out those earned gems and/or that all that was owed was indeed paid out, even though those rewards were validly and honestly earned but dishonestly claimed by Kabam developers to be paid in full.

    This one was a costly error, for sure, on Kabam's part. But, nobody hacked the system, nobody dove into the programming to copy cards or recreate gem opportunities or the other gazliion intentional cheats that happen on a regular basis that they do nothing about. For them to enforce this, on a weak argument at best about exploiting a glitch, would be incredibly hypocritical given they have outright lied in the past about delivering rewards earned honestly that were in fact never delivered.

    My guess is they'll either make-up the lost revenue by firing the programmer(s) who ran the event without testing it or at the very least, know that they were able to breathe new life into the game for a small handlful of folks who might now stick around awhile despite the ongoing diminished quality assurance of recent months.

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  • wepdonkey
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    Originally posted by Noob_52QBGMX View Post
    And all those guys have trained their characters to LVL100 on 15-20 different servers in 8 or 10hours? The only retarded guy I see is you. The bug described by the OP is called an exploit and is deserving ban. Do you honestly think Kabam will be giving up on hundred of dollars per account?
    You are such a cried baby keeps asking Kabam should roll back or take away people gems because you missed the chance yourself. For me I did not get the advantage of this system bugs because I was working. But rolling back or gem removal from people account will not work at all, it will just create another serious problem. Im a gem spender and spent few hundreds during the time of globat arena to purchase booster pack or chests...etc. Now you are asking kabam to screw me up by rolling back ? What about the money that I spent, and the potions, 5*, 6* cards and stones that I got during the time with MY OWN REAL MONEY. You want me or other players to lose all these just to make you happy ? You dare to call this fair ?

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  • EvIl_RiSeS
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    Originally posted by Noob_52QBGMX View Post
    And all those guys have trained their characters to LVL100 on 15-20 different servers in 8 or 10hours? The only retarded guy I see is you. The bug described by the OP is called an exploit and is deserving ban. Do you honestly think Kabam will be giving up on hundred of dollars per account?
    I'm happy this happened cause Kabam screws people over and now they are the ones getting screwed. You know the old saying you reap what you sow and since Kabam's constant carelessness and bugs sowed a bad seed, we'll this super "glitch" is the tree that grew as a result. What goes around comes around Kabam so how does it feel to be on the receiving end of being ****ed up the ***? Not good is it? You guys did this to yourselves even if I didn't benefit from it cause I was sleeping when the Global arena was going on, I'm happy for those who did cause Kabam deserves this after how they treat their customers

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  • Noob_52QBGMX
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    Originally posted by Lavep View Post
    Another retarded thread

    When you switch to another realm it warns you that only gems will be transferred. Switch, train your char to level100 and get free gems.

    And stop complaining all the time. Either play the game or quit
    And all those guys have trained their characters to LVL100 on 15-20 different servers in 8 or 10hours? The only retarded guy I see is you. The bug described by the OP is called an exploit and is deserving ban. Do you honestly think Kabam will be giving up on hundred of dollars per account?

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  • Lavep
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    Another retarded thread

    When you switch to another realm it warns you that only gems will be transferred. Switch, train your char to level100 and get free gems.

    And stop complaining all the time. Either play the game or quit

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