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  • #1

    why not nerf gaznar as well?

    Gaznar's skill approx. Deals 2x his HP. At Max t4, he has 50k+ HP so his skill does a massive 100k to all. Not to mention he reduces atk as well. Where are the cries for nerf?

    Answer: he wasn't nerfed to single target because he wasn't handed out like candy.

    So where is the logic in watering down Shiverhart?
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    Bro, take it easy. if the whole street are having T2 or above Gaznar, then you will start seeing cries for nerf....many people just dont have chance (like Shiver) to see Gaznar's powerful skill due to limited edition of him :-)

    Originally posted by WoYLB View Post
    Gaznar's skill approx. Deals 2x his HP. At Max t4, he has 50k+ HP so his skill does a massive 100k to all. Not to mention he reduces atk as well. Where are the cries for nerf?

    Answer: he wasn't nerfed to single target because he wasn't handed out like candy.

    So where is the logic in watering down Shiverhart?

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    • #3
      Gaz has already been nerfed in case u didn't know, the proc rate was reduced significantly.

      Like I had feedback in the moderator thread. Shiv must be nerfed but only on the proc rate and dmg reduction.

      Current shiv is too strong with high proc rate and 40k+ dmg reduction at T4.

      I have T4 shiv btw in case you think I'm ranting for nerf just because I'm one of those "jealous" players

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      • #4
        The logic is simple - too many people have T4 Shiver due to Kabam's mistake. If they didn't give it for free, there would only be a few T4 around, not 50+ on Arthur for example.

        That's the only solution Kabam found to solve the issue. They were too slow to react, heck they didn't even know twice the rewards were given away until Aaron saw it on the forums.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by WoYLB View Post
          Gaznar's skill approx. Deals 2x his HP. At Max t4, he has 50k+ HP so his skill does a massive 100k to all. Not to mention he reduces atk as well. Where are the cries for nerf?

          Answer: he wasn't nerfed to single target because he wasn't handed out like candy.

          So where is the logic in watering down Shiverhart?
          Gazner doesn't do 100k damage to all. Gazner never procs. His stats are mediocre. He's a special card. Paying players bought him. He's legit. Shiver isn't anything more than a rare card now. Can't change what happened. New players running around with t3 or t4 shivers teamed up with t3 father mal and necros is a joke. Honestly, he should have been reduced to a 4* card with 4* star stats. People are lucky he still retained 6* status and still has a great ability AND is a good stand-in for 3 card tank combos.

          I understand that people put money into getting him, I did too. Kabam should compensate players by refunding gems used during the Shiver promo. But nerfing him is just good for game balance. Period. Read Nexum's post. It is the most logical take on Shiver.

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          • #6
            I get that they are trying to level the playing field. I do. I didn't agree with leaving alone the excess Shiverhart to players. In an attempt to "compensate" slighted players who didn't receive two shivers, they will hand out more. This is their attempt to make it fair for everyone.

            But they waited too damn long too do anything. Too damn long. Two weeks later they announce a nerf to him. Now people who sacced 400+ feeders feel used because I'd rather spend these feeders on other cards. Not only that, but players who built around Shiverhart now have to rebuild. Where is the compensation for that?

            Does anyone else see the vicious circle here? The problems are never-ending and Kabam has handled this problem astonshingly sub par.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WoYLB View Post
              I get that they are trying to level the playing field. I do. I didn't agree with leaving alone the excess Shiverhart to players. In an attempt to "compensate" slighted players who didn't receive two shivers, they will hand out more. This is their attempt to make it fair for everyone.

              But they waited too damn long too do anything. Too damn long. Two weeks later they announce a nerf to him. Now people who sacced 400+ feeders feel used because I'd rather spend these feeders on other cards. Not only that, but players who built around Shiverhart now have to rebuild. Where is the compensation for that?

              Does anyone else see the vicious circle here? The problems are never-ending and Kabam has handled this problem astonshingly sub par.
              This is not a good argument. The fact that you are complaining this much almost says that Shiver is probably your best card with or without the nerf. So you probably would have used all those feeders anyway. Also, I don't think anyone is rebuilding. Please explain this point. I almost guarantee anyone with a t3/t4 shiver will still use him after the nerf. And probably for the next year or so.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zugzwang77 View Post
                This is not a good argument. The fact that you are complaining this much almost says that Shiver is probably your best card with or without the nerf. So you probably would have used all those feeders anyway. Also, I don't think anyone is rebuilding. Please explain this point. I almost guarantee anyone with a t3/t4 shiver will still use him after the nerf. And probably for the next year or so.
                That entire post was filled with assumption.

                You assume he is my best card, you assume people with T3/T4 Shiverhart will use him for the next year or so. And you didnt even understand my point. How about you reread my post, then reply with something more concrete than assumptions. And then you can question the merit of my post.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WoYLB View Post
                  That entire post was filled with assumption.

                  You assume he is my best card, you assume people with T3/T4 Shiverhart will use him for the next year or so. And you didnt even understand my point. How about you reread my post, then reply with something more concrete than assumptions. And then you can question the merit of my post.
                  I'm trying to help you bro. You're not making a good argument. And my assumptions are counter points. If you can't argue a counter point, your case is undermined. If you don't have a strong case, you don't get a cure. Or you can go ahead and keep going about whatever you think you're trying to accomplish. Up to you man.

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                  • #10
                    If Shiver retains his stats and the ability is reduced to one team, it'd still a very good card (we have yet to see the proc rate though...if it's on the same level as Vamb/Rhia I'd be pissed). I can live with that because it'd be my best card stats wise, and my deck is far from being average.

                    My only issue is the compensation for people who spent money for it in the ice cave because
                    1/ I spent a lot because I was desperate to get more Shivers and I knew this card would not come back anytime soon (before the fiasco of course)
                    2/ It was badass so this card would have been a big plus in the arena.

                    Gaznar proc rate is quite decent. I'm a bit biased because when it's mine I think it never procs, but when it's the opponent's I think it procs too much.
                    Overall it has a very good balance - stats / skills / combo and is a must in all decks for now.

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                    • #11
                      yea people spent 7000 gem or 21000 gem to play the chest game to get shiver while they suddenly give 2 for free.

                      How should compensate for these spender? is this fair or not fair? hard to debate. Kabam can argue to those who spent on chest and get ****, they arlready give u free shiver. what more to expect?

                      For free to play player, they get for free. How to penalize them? not possible and not a prefect solution here. can they take back the cards, cannot becoz already evo to max at either t3 or t4?

                      can they compensate the spender who spend on promo chest? they can but tedious and hard to trace.
                      Developers are orginated from china. there will be lead time. this is why this game got delay, screw up and lot of miscommunication.


                      Originally posted by zugzwang77 View Post
                      Gazner doesn't do 100k damage to all. Gazner never procs. His stats are mediocre. He's a special card. Paying players bought him. He's legit. Shiver isn't anything more than a rare card now. Can't change what happened. New players running around with t3 or t4 shivers teamed up with t3 father mal and necros is a joke. Honestly, he should have been reduced to a 4* card with 4* star stats. People are lucky he still retained 6* status and still has a great ability AND is a good stand-in for 3 card tank combos.

                      I understand that people put money into getting him, I did too. Kabam should compensate players by refunding gems used during the Shiver promo. But nerfing him is just good for game balance. Period. Read Nexum's post. It is the most logical take on Shiver.

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                      • #12
                        ganzar 2013 star combo was a major joke. 10 percent skill proc for 3 card.
                        Those later starter now don't have even decent chance to get 8 ganzar during that end of 2013 promo.
                        i DID SPENT SOME MONEY BUT only get 1. it gave a disgusting drop rate as compare to during Halloween event.
                        cant ask for any compensation here as we know it gamble it a risk i took.

                        Btw if we keep complained, whine to Aaron or any developer or give constructive feedback to them. how long will it take to implement? time is essence here.
                        Sometime i was wonder it better to spend that time to go back farming than type a lot of stuff here and expect instant result. top pro from my server don't visit this server at all. maybe this is their thinking no point to write anything here.


                        Originally posted by Super Noobyyy View Post
                        If Shiver retains his stats and the ability is reduced to one team, it'd still a very good card (we have yet to see the proc rate though...if it's on the same level as Vamb/Rhia I'd be pissed). I can live with that because it'd be my best card stats wise, and my deck is far from being average.





                        My only issue is the compensation for people who spent money for it in the ice cave because
                        1/ I spent a lot because I was desperate to get more Shivers and I knew this card would not come back anytime soon (before the fiasco of course)
                        2/ It was badass so this card would have been a big plus in the arena.

                        Gaznar proc rate is quite decent. I'm a bit biased because when it's mine I think it never procs, but when it's the opponent's I think it procs too much.
                        Overall it has a very good balance - stats / skills / combo and is a must in all decks for now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WoYLB View Post
                          Gaznar's skill approx. Deals 2x his HP. At Max t4, he has 50k+ HP so his skill does a massive 100k to all. Not to mention he reduces atk as well. Where are the cries for nerf?

                          Answer: he wasn't nerfed to single target because he wasn't handed out like candy.

                          So where is the logic in watering down Shiverhart?
                          Exactly!

                          Personally, I'm all for nerfing Vambrael. Right now, I'm more annoyed about him than about Shiver.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jhaelen View Post
                            Exactly!

                            Personally, I'm all for nerfing Vambrael. Right now, I'm more annoyed about him than about Shiver.
                            Gaznar does NOT attacks all teams. Just ONE.

                            Self edit : Removed the offensive comment.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Super Noobyyy View Post
                              So much BS.... guys, stop talking about false information. Gaznar does NOT attacks all teams. Just ONE.

                              Nerf Vambrael? Sure let's nerf all the cards that you don't have... seriously what is wrong with him?
                              i think he was being sarcastic ^^

                              Anyway, Gaznar attacks one team but deals around 60% more dmg than Shiver (if they will really change its skill to 1 target only) that should not happen imho... Shiver must be nerfed in its "firepower" not in its "target focus" (other than proc chance ofc)

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