kings guard chest

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Is this a joke kabam? you make me open 5 chests per try to get 5 pots or stones? or even better 5 chests for 3 kins guard or even 1? how the math works like this?
I rly would like a refund on this or fix the chest to make 1 per open not 5

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Is this a joke kabam? you make me open 5 chests per try to get 5 pots or stones? or even better 5 chests for 3 kins guard or even 1? how the math works like this?
I rly would like a refund on this or fix the chest to make 1 per open not 5

unlucky u i used 140 chests but 1 by 1 (stacked by 5)

i heard many other people open 100 chests + and NOONE got any 6* out of it . no arial no kings guard

[Guest]

You're both lucky, I bought 3 chests and got 3 stag chests??? How's that work lol

[Guest]

I think Kabam forgot something very important for this promo: INCLUDE KINGS GUARD IN THE DROPS
Many players in my guild spent several hundred dollars and not even a single drop.

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It just winds me up, I'm not very rich but have invested a lot in this game, could have bought an xbox1 by now with several games so feeling a bit duped but many players on my realm have spent far more than me, into the top hundreds and have nothing to show for it. I like this game but kabam's greed and lack of player support really winds me up sometimes. I accidentally fed a really important card I had and all they did was tell me they had no way to prove I had the card and even if they wanted to had no power to return an enhanced or evolved card, which for a game that is all about that it seems rather poor. Sorry Kabam, I feel really let down tbh and somewhat ripped off, and this latest promotion just takes the biscuit.

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It's becoming redundant now. Every time a promo starts, kids start to cry on forums. If you had a brain, you'd use it to figure out the drop chance by at least searching the forums for other kids crying in other promos.

The drop rates are fair for everyone and the fact that only a handful of people get anything every promo allows for a more balanced game. You kids should ask your parents whether it's smart to pay for a game of chance with money you need.

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Well w/e happened during night chests work properly now. But still not happy that i burned some chests like that. As for kids comment people share things here. If you make make smartass comments go on world chat

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It's becoming redundant now. Every time a promo starts, kids start to cry on forums. If you had a brain, you'd use it to figure out the drop chance by at least searching the forums for other kids crying in other promos.

The drop rates are fair for everyone and the fact that only a handful of people get anything every promo allows for a more balanced game. You kids should ask your parents whether it's smart to pay for a game of chance with money you need.

I appreciate what you are saying Robert and yes it was my choice to spend money but we are talking about people spending hundreds of pounds and getting nothing in return. Are you saying that is fair? The money I've spent so far I could have had a holiday, an xbox1 even a car, and I've actually spent pennies compared to some players and the returns for my money have been minimal, compare that to a game on the xbox that you pay £30-£50 when it first comes out or a game like WOW or Rift that you spend a subscription on and then can purchase items. This whole 'chance' thing is a total rip off, that is why apple so readily gives out refunds for this game. That's just the first issue, then there is the support side of the game, the support staff can't even return an evolved card if a player loses it by accident or by some bug, which happened to me, I lost a perfect tier 3 card that I'd spent money and time on to get. The support team had no power to do anything and then told me as a good will thing they'd put a tier 1 card in my inbox but it never arrived and they shut the ticket without even listening to me. Then there's the fact I bought 3 kings chests and I get 3 flipping stag chests instead. The reason so many people are complaining is because the game isn't meeting expectations compared to other games out on the market. That's just my opinion and feel I am allowed to make it heard in the hope that the developers take note and improve the game. On our realm hundreds of players have left as they'd simply had enough and felt Kabam was ripping them off, that's not a good sign. I'm one of the players that have played a long time and give kabam a chance, I've spent close to £800-£1000 over a period of time and for that sort of money you'd expect to have something but I'm no better off than some of the players that have spent nothing at all, you saying that is ok? Rant over.

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I appreciate what you are saying Robert and yes it was my choice to spend money but we are talking about people spending hundreds of pounds and getting nothing in return. Are you saying that is fair? The money I've spent so far I could have had a holiday, an xbox1 even a car, and I've actually spent pennies compared to some players and the returns for my money have been minimal, compare that to a game on the xbox that you pay £30-£50 when it first comes out or a game like WOW or Rift that you spend a subscription on and then can purchase items. This whole 'chance' thing is a total rip off, that is why apple so readily gives out refunds for this game. That's just the first issue, then there is the support side of the game, the support staff can't even return an evolved card if a player loses it by accident or by some bug, which happened to me, I lost a perfect tier 3 card that I'd spent money and time on to get. The support team had no power to do anything and then told me as a good will thing they'd put a tier 1 card in my inbox but it never arrived and they shut the ticket without even listening to me. Then there's the fact I bought 3 kings chests and I get 3 flipping stag chests instead. The reason so many people are complaining is because the game isn't meeting expectations compared to other games out on the market. That's just my opinion and feel I am allowed to make it heard in the hope that the developers take note and improve the game. On our realm hundreds of players have left as they'd simply had enough and felt Kabam was ripping them off, that's not a good sign. I'm one of the players that have played a long time and give kabam a chance, I've spent close to £800-£1000 over a period of time and for that sort of money you'd expect to have something but I'm no better off than some of the players that have spent nothing at all, you saying that is ok? Rant over.

There are 2 angles:
1. Laws of probability
2. P2WIN vs Pseudo - P2WIN
1. Let's use our brain. Usually legendary cards have a less than 1% chance of dropping while using summoning stones. Could be anywhere from 0.01% to 0.5%, I don't know, but it's not any higher. You can notice that by viewing the "recent" tab in summoning and estimating how many summoning stones have been spent. Overall, you get less than one legendary every 100 summoning stones. Now, for the sake of argument let's ASSUME you have a 1% drop chance during a chest promo, and that a promo costs 100 gems. For generosity's sake let's say 100 gems cost just 1.3 euros.
Now as any person with half a brain knows stacked 1% chances offer diminishing returns. This means that a second time you only increase your overall chance of getting a legendary by 1% of 99%, which is 0.99%. This amount decreases over time. For the sake of argument let's assume you open 100 chests, 10000 gems, 130 euros. Now, for the very high chance of 1% legendary drop per chest in 100 tries you have a chance of 63.40% to get at least one legendary. And this number does not scale well at all with increased purchases.
Usually when a person spends a lot of money, unless they have a lot more in the bank, they actually try to use their brain to understand what odds they have at getting something. Otherwise, they DESERVE to lose it!
Remember, my calculations are for 1% drop chance. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I suspect the real number could be lower, perhaps around 0.5% or a bit less.

2. This game is pseudo pay to win. This basically means: DON'T EVEN THINK THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ANYTHING just because you spend more money than others. Welcome to a fair system of probabilities where both heavy spenders and very light spenders have a chance to get awesome cards. I have only spent 4.5 euros, will not spend more, and have one of the strongest 20 decks in my realm. Why is it pseudo pay 2 win? Figure it out for yourself.


Most people that complain are simply losers that expect they should win just because they invest more money in this game than others. Surprise surprise. You are not entitled to anything and you roll the same dices just like the rest of us. Game over man. Game over

that is why apple so readily gives out refunds for this game.

I am actually going to call you to provide evidence for this statement. I am quite curious if I can get a refund on my 4.5 euros.

the support staff can't even ...

I would ironically ask you what support staff. That is a completely other matter on which I agree with you completely.

Then there's the fact I bought 3 kings chests and I get 3 flipping stag chests instead

See above comment.

However this thread is about the "drop chance bug", those are completely different issues. The fact that this game is a mess deserves over 10 different threads for improving customer experience about all the different things that is wrong with this game.

But I do not believe the reward system for purchases is. The prices are very high for a low chance of success and I believe it should stay that way. It rewards cunning people and penalizes gullible people, which I find to be an awesome business model.

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There are 2 angles:
1. Laws of probability
2. P2WIN vs Pseudo - P2WIN
1. Let's use our brain. Usually legendary cards have a less than 1% chance of dropping while using summoning stones. Could be anywhere from 0.01% to 0.5%, I don't know, but it's not any higher. You can notice that by viewing the "recent" tab in summoning and estimating how many summoning stones have been spent. Overall, you get less than one legendary every 100 summoning stones. Now, for the sake of argument let's ASSUME you have a 1% drop chance during a chest promo, and that a promo costs 100 gems. For generosity's sake let's say 100 gems cost just 1.3 euros.
Now as any person with half a brain knows stacked 1% chances offer diminishing returns. This means that a second time you only increase your overall chance of getting a legendary by 1% of 99%, which is 0.99%. This amount decreases over time. For the sake of argument let's assume you open 100 chests, 10000 gems, 130 euros. Now, for the very high chance of 1% legendary drop per chest in 100 tries you have a chance of 63.40% to get at least one legendary. And this number does not scale well at all with increased purchases.
Usually when a person spends a lot of money, unless they have a lot more in the bank, they actually try to use their brain to understand what odds they have at getting something. Otherwise, they DESERVE to lose it!
Remember, my calculations are for 1% drop chance. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I suspect the real number could be lower, perhaps around 0.5% or a bit less.

2. This game is pseudo pay to win. This basically means: DON'T EVEN THINK THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ANYTHING just because you spend more money than others. Welcome to a fair system of probabilities where both heavy spenders and very light spenders have a chance to get awesome cards. I have only spent 4.5 euros, will not spend more, and have one of the strongest 20 decks in my realm. Why is it pseudo pay 2 win? Figure it out for yourself.


Most people that complain are simply losers that expect they should win just because they invest more money in this game than others. Surprise surprise. You are not entitled to anything and you roll the same dices just like the rest of us. Game over man. Game over


I am actually going to call you to provide evidence for this statement. I am quite curious if I can get a refund on my 4.5 euros.


I would ironically ask you what support staff. That is a completely other matter on which I agree with you completely.


See above comment.

However this thread is about the "drop chance bug", those are completely different issues. The fact that this game is a mess deserves over 10 different threads for improving customer experience about all the different things that is wrong with this game.

But I do not believe the reward system for purchases is. The prices are very high for a low chance of success and I believe it should stay that way. It rewards cunning people and penalizes gullible people, which I find to be an awesome business model.

too long to read but man.

i read 20-30 pots saying people bought from 50-350 kings guard chests NOONE GET ARIAL/ KINGS GUARD i wont even SAY Kings Guard x 3 !

so dont say **** about crying . if you would spend 300$ and got nothing in return you would be crying and writing a post here every 3 minutes!

People write bcs they cant belive **** happening. There is not single person even saying got the 6* reward out of it.

Many of those players buy 50-150 most of chests so they know odds. usually after 150 tries one get a 6* . kabam wont even comment on this promo . they wont do anything about it bcs its not in their best intrest . maybe next chests will be better or smth.

i got 2 totem guards out of 60 totem chests. i know a guy who bought 500 totem chests like 63000Gems he spend and he got 2 totem guards aswell. but it was real. it was possible plenty of people who payd big cash got the card. in this case noone did and many have tried.

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There are 2 angles:
1. Laws of probability
2. P2WIN vs Pseudo - P2WIN
1. Let's use our brain. Usually legendary cards have a less than 1% chance of dropping while using summoning stones. Could be anywhere from 0.01% to 0.5%, I don't know, but it's not any higher. You can notice that by viewing the "recent" tab in summoning and estimating how many summoning stones have been spent. Overall, you get less than one legendary every 100 summoning stones. Now, for the sake of argument let's ASSUME you have a 1% drop chance during a chest promo, and that a promo costs 100 gems. For generosity's sake let's say 100 gems cost just 1.3 euros.
Now as any person with half a brain knows stacked 1% chances offer diminishing returns. This means that a second time you only increase your overall chance of getting a legendary by 1% of 99%, which is 0.99%. This amount decreases over time. For the sake of argument let's assume you open 100 chests, 10000 gems, 130 euros. Now, for the very high chance of 1% legendary drop per chest in 100 tries you have a chance of 63.40% to get at least one legendary. And this number does not scale well at all with increased purchases.
Usually when a person spends a lot of money, unless they have a lot more in the bank, they actually try to use their brain to understand what odds they have at getting something. Otherwise, they DESERVE to lose it!
Remember, my calculations are for 1% drop chance. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I suspect the real number could be lower, perhaps around 0.5% or a bit less.

2. This game is pseudo pay to win. This basically means: DON'T EVEN THINK THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ANYTHING just because you spend more money than others. Welcome to a fair system of probabilities where both heavy spenders and very light spenders have a chance to get awesome cards. I have only spent 4.5 euros, will not spend more, and have one of the strongest 20 decks in my realm. Why is it pseudo pay 2 win? Figure it out for yourself.


Most people that complain are simply losers that expect they should win just because they invest more money in this game than others. Surprise surprise. You are not entitled to anything and you roll the same dices just like the rest of us. Game over man. Game over


I am actually going to call you to provide evidence for this statement. I am quite curious if I can get a refund on my 4.5 euros.


I would ironically ask you what support staff. That is a completely other matter on which I agree with you completely.


See above comment.

However this thread is about the "drop chance bug", those are completely different issues. The fact that this game is a mess deserves over 10 different threads for improving customer experience about all the different things that is wrong with this game.

But I do not believe the reward system for purchases is. The prices are very high for a low chance of success and I believe it should stay that way. It rewards cunning people and penalizes gullible people, which I find to be an awesome business model.

i think more probably caluclation for drop rate is like flipping coin that have 100 sides (if we assume 1% is win rate). it is possible to flip this coin 10000000 and still not hit this particular 1% winning. however is not likely.

chest drop rates are diffrent from summon from ss. if you open 200 ss in wrong time u might not even get 1 5* bcs there is smth like summon pool. u can check recent summon on you server and see. if at the last 3-5 minutes there was summoning of 15 5* cards and 2 6* you will most likely get nothing.

yesteday i opened 200 ss . 5-15 ss every 15-20 minutes at night checking out for recent summons. i got 3 x 6* and about 15 5*. pretty much each 15 min i got 1 or 2 5*.

u cannot check if someone received smth from chests unless in guild but overall not. but if noone get the main reward then it is obvious that there might not be this reward inside and it goes for "false advertisment" .

go check out topics in general discussion . like 3 of them about this mystery chest saying same **** over and over and no reaction from kabam.

thats all have a nice day

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you are completely missing the point: we arent complaining that we didnt get it - we sre suspecting that it isnt even a probability.

lets face it - the last kings guard promo (mini game) was obviously bugged and did not contain a kings guard when it said it did.

Not a single person has seen one drop from thesr chests. whether you pay or not - this is very concerning and highly probable given the state of this game.

it is definitely respectable to complain if you think you are getting ripped off by false advertising - this is REAL money some of us spend. Imagine buying a lottery ticket with a chance to win 1, 5 or 50 dollars but in actuality you can never win 50. pretty big deal in my opinion.

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Yes, when mathematics beats your logic, just ignore it. Very well, ignoring it, this game is still on the app store. If it really was false advertising then people with at least half a brain would complain directly to apple.
Two possibilities:
1. Most of you are stupid or lazy (or both).
2. Some of you actually bothered to complain to apple. They most certainly analyzed the situation since they got great customer service and strict app policies and they found nothing wrong. Game is still on the app store.

You keep on saying I spend xxx$, I got nothing, etc etc.. What did apple reply to you when you filed a complaint, if you actually did contact their customer support service? Add some evidence to your text (screenshot most likely). I see no topic on this forum about such a thing.

u cannot check if someone received smth from chests unless in guild but overall not. but if noone get the main reward

And this is you contradicting yourself. If there is no way to check if someone received anything, you can not know if no one got the main reward. It is common knowledge that happy people do not go to the forums to complain.

[Guest]

There are 2 angles:
1. Laws of probability
2. P2WIN vs Pseudo - P2WIN
1. Let's use our brain. Usually legendary cards have a less than 1% chance of dropping while using summoning stones. Could be anywhere from 0.01% to 0.5%, I don't know, but it's not any higher. You can notice that by viewing the "recent" tab in summoning and estimating how many summoning stones have been spent. Overall, you get less than one legendary every 100 summoning stones. Now, for the sake of argument let's ASSUME you have a 1% drop chance during a chest promo, and that a promo costs 100 gems. For generosity's sake let's say 100 gems cost just 1.3 euros.
Now as any person with half a brain knows stacked 1% chances offer diminishing returns. This means that a second time you only increase your overall chance of getting a legendary by 1% of 99%, which is 0.99%. This amount decreases over time. For the sake of argument let's assume you open 100 chests, 10000 gems, 130 euros. Now, for the very high chance of 1% legendary drop per chest in 100 tries you have a chance of 63.40% to get at least one legendary. And this number does not scale well at all with increased purchases.
Usually when a person spends a lot of money, unless they have a lot more in the bank, they actually try to use their brain to understand what odds they have at getting something. Otherwise, they DESERVE to lose it!
Remember, my calculations are for 1% drop chance. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I suspect the real number could be lower, perhaps around 0.5% or a bit less.

2. This game is pseudo pay to win. This basically means: DON'T EVEN THINK THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO ANYTHING just because you spend more money than others. Welcome to a fair system of probabilities where both heavy spenders and very light spenders have a chance to get awesome cards. I have only spent 4.5 euros, will not spend more, and have one of the strongest 20 decks in my realm. Why is it pseudo pay 2 win? Figure it out for yourself.


Most people that complain are simply losers that expect they should win just because they invest more money in this game than others. Surprise surprise. You are not entitled to anything and you roll the same dices just like the rest of us. Game over man. Game over


I am actually going to call you to provide evidence for this statement. I am quite curious if I can get a refund on my 4.5 euros.


I would ironically ask you what support staff. That is a completely other matter on which I agree with you completely.


See above comment.

However this thread is about the "drop chance bug", those are completely different issues. The fact that this game is a mess deserves over 10 different threads for improving customer experience about all the different things that is wrong with this game.

But I do not believe the reward system for purchases is. The prices are very high for a low chance of success and I believe it should stay that way. It rewards cunning people and penalizes gullible people, which I find to be an awesome business model.

Do you even have a job or a life ? Are you a bum ? School kid ? Whatever you are you have to much time to play this game and put way to much thought into the only thing I get from reading your rants is that on fact you Robert are the one crying because you can't afford to spend money on the game and are there fore only to happy to see others spend there hard earned money and get nothing in return as it keeps you competitive without spending do yourself a favor Robert stay off such topics because you are the one who sounds like a crying child because you are deprived and can't afford to spend , we are entitled to voice our concerns when we think we are getting a raw deal simple as that

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Do not ever spend money on this game, the odds are horrible and the prices are outrageous. I learned this after my first purchase.