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  • I'm going to sue kabam

    I did the dragon vault and not once but four times I clicked on the chest that had the dragon egg but yet it gave me something else I recorded my phone screen with a screen capture app and I'm going to post it nf going to sue if nothing us done about it because this is false advertisement and violates a few other things

  • #2
    I hope you're kidding. If you were paying attention it shows the 9 different chests, once you click play it also shows them swapping around at random so when you pick something it's random and you're not sure what you'll get.

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    • #3
      And when you click on a chest and opens up it gives you what's in that chest but yet it shows something else instead of what you should of won

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      • #4
        No, it gives you something randomly from those 9 things listed in chests. Just because you saw earth dragon egg in one spot does not mean by clicking that spot you get the egg...its all randomized. I know several people that earned an earth dragon egg tonight playing game who spent between 200 and 300 rubys each to acquire it.

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        • #5
          We are all playing the Dragon Vault under the assumption that it is a "fair game".

          If the Dragon Vault is fair then the chance of winning a prize that you are targeting should be one in nine.
          The average number of attempts to win that prize (in this case the Earth Dragon Egg) is 9.
          The probability of not winning an egg after each number of attempts attempts is shown in the table below.

          Attempts but no egg -- Probability
          1 attempt -- 88.889%
          10 -- 30.795%
          20 -- 9.483%
          30 -- 2.920%
          40 -- 0.899%
          50 -- 0.277%
          60 -- 0.085%
          70 -- 0.026%
          80 -- 0.008% (which is one in twelve thousand)

          I had 65 goes and did not win, less than a one in two thousand likelihood.

          The "unfair" scenario is that the probabilities are not set at an even one-in-nine.
          The terms and conditions of playing do not force Kabam to make the game fair, but it is certainly implied in the game.
          I have sent an email to support to see what they say about this.

          If everyone complains then maybe they might do something about it.

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          • #6
            And what conditions apply to me winning a dragon egg in my 2nd mystery chest verus some others took hundreds? Statistics are only an average, not a guaranteed probability.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Uncle Billy View Post
              We are all playing the Dragon Vault under the assumption that it is a "fair game".

              If the Dragon Vault is fair then the chance of winning a prize that you are targeting should be one in nine.
              The average number of attempts to win that prize (in this case the Earth Dragon Egg) is 9.
              The probability of not winning an egg after each number of attempts attempts is shown in the table below.

              Attempts but no egg -- Probability
              1 attempt -- 88.889%
              10 -- 30.795%
              20 -- 9.483%
              30 -- 2.920%
              40 -- 0.899%
              50 -- 0.277%
              60 -- 0.085%
              70 -- 0.026%
              80 -- 0.008% (which is one in twelve thousand)

              I had 65 goes and did not win, less than a one in two thousand likelihood.

              The "unfair" scenario is that the probabilities are not set at an even one-in-nine.
              The terms and conditions of playing do not force Kabam to make the game fair, but it is certainly implied in the game.
              I have sent an email to support to see what they say about this.

              If everyone complains then maybe they might do something about it.
              You obviously have zero understanding of probabilities. You have a one in nine chance EVERY SINGLE TIME you open a chest, each event is separate from any other event.

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              • #8
                I'm done with this discussion. The OP is being silly over the randomness of the dragon vault, is all.

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                • #9
                  Dear Noob and Darksider

                  I think you may have misunderstood my post.

                  Pretend you flip a coin that can come up either heads or tails, each with a 50% chance.
                  Now do it twice.
                  Your results could be one of four outcomes: HH, HT, TH or TT each with a 25% chance.
                  So the chance of not getting a Head after two flips is 25%, or 1 in 4.

                  Now do it 10 times.
                  The chance of not getting a head after ten flips is 0.000977, or 1 in 1024. (1024 is 2 to the power of 10)

                  This is a demonstration of independent events, as you commented, but the multiplicative probability is what is relevant.

                  In the case of the Dragon Vault, each game is 1 in 9, so the chance of not getting it is 8/9 or 88.889%.
                  The chance of not getting it after 2 games is (8/9)*(8/9) or 79.012%.
                  The chance of not getting it after 2 games is (8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9) or 30.795%.

                  Do you understand now?

                  The critical issue is that by the nature of the shuffling of nine chests the Dragon Vault implies a 1 in 9 fair game.
                  As I demonstrated above, statistically this is close to impossible.
                  I have not investigated the legal implications but this amounts to false advertising which can lead to significant corporate fines from the Federal Trade Commission.
                  I am hoping that Kabam is not partaking in fraudulent behavior and that this is just a "glitch".

                  Thoughts?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Uncle Billy View Post
                    Dear Noob and Darksider

                    I think you may have misunderstood my post.

                    Pretend you flip a coin that can come up either heads or tails, each with a 50% chance.
                    Now do it twice.
                    Your results could be one of four outcomes: HH, HT, TH or TT each with a 25% chance.
                    So the chance of not getting a Head after two flips is 25%, or 1 in 4.

                    Now do it 10 times.
                    The chance of not getting a head after ten flips is 0.000977, or 1 in 1024. (1024 is 2 to the power of 10)

                    This is a demonstration of independent events, as you commented, but the multiplicative probability is what is relevant.

                    In the case of the Dragon Vault, each game is 1 in 9, so the chance of not getting it is 8/9 or 88.889%.
                    The chance of not getting it after 2 games is (8/9)*(8/9) or 79.012%.
                    The chance of not getting it after 2 games is (8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9)*(8/9) or 30.795%.

                    Do you understand now?

                    The critical issue is that by the nature of the shuffling of nine chests the Dragon Vault implies a 1 in 9 fair game.
                    As I demonstrated above, statistically this is close to impossible.
                    I have not investigated the legal implications but this amounts to false advertising which can lead to significant corporate fines from the Federal Trade Commission.
                    I am hoping that Kabam is not partaking in fraudulent behavior and that this is just a "glitch".

                    Thoughts?
                    My thoughts are you're still completely and utterly wrong. Feel free to continue your mental masturbation and create pointless math problems, it doesn't change facts.. and what exactly are "multiplicative probabilities"?

                    Let me help you here using your own example of the coin toss..
                    The probability of getting heads or tails is 50/50 when you flip a coin.
                    If you flip a coin 9 times and get heads every time, what are the chances you'll get you'll get heads on the tenth toss? What about tails? Heres a hint: it's exactly 50/50.
                    Now let's say you flip a coin 999 times and it comes up heads every time.. What are your chances of getting either heads or tails on the 1000th toss? Still confused? It's 50/50.
                    Now for a biggie.. let's say you flip a coin 99 999 times, and every time it comes up heads. Whats the probability you'll get tails on 100 000th toss? Heads? Well let me dust off my trusty high powered scientific probabilities calculator aaaannd, wait a second... IT'S STILL 50/50!!!!11!zomg

                    The only way the probabilities would ever change from 50/50, regardless of how many times you toss the coin or how much pointless math you want to do, is if you had two coins with a quantum connection(but I think it's safe to say that's way over your head). It really doesn't matter how much you want to try and drag statistical analysis into this either, because statistics are absolutely not predictive of probability.. They only let you measure what's already happened and let you make a "best guess" as to the outcomes, but they IN NO WAY influence probability laws.

                    Do YOU understand now? If not, feel free to use Google to further enlighten your pretentious self. Have a nice day.

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                    • #11
                      I agree with Uncle Billy. Kabam tricks people into thinking there's a one in nine chance of getting an egg or any good bargains. I played the vault like 70 times and not once did I get a nightshade dragon egg or the storm drakes(second best prize in vault). It is obvious that the better the prize, the rarer the chances are. I also played the dragon vault more than 100 times when there was a speed up game in the dragon vault. The prizes were: 1 hour speedup, 2.5, 8hr, testronius 30%, testrounius 50%, testronius 75%, chronos bag, 3 dragons seals, and 4 dragons seals. I NEVER got the chronos bag although I attempted more than 100 games.. I GOT 1 hour speedup(the worst prize) 12 times in a row! I was like WHAT THE HELLLLLLLL. Guess which prize I got the most besides the 1 hour speed up? Obviously it's the second worst prize(2.5 hr speed up). I got some dragons seals, test powder 30% and 8 hr speedups. I managed to get a test powder 75% but not the 50% one.

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                      • #12
                        They would much rather you pay $25 for the make believe "picture of a dragon," on your smartphone.

                        Do they not understand, you can buy xbox games for $59? It's ridiculous how these money leeching mobile gaming companies use deception.

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                        • #13
                          This Thead is old, please do not Necropost in old threads.

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